The RTC Interview Series: One on One With Arthur AgeePosted by rtmsf on September 3rd, 2010
Rush The Court is back with another edition of One on One: an Interview Series, which we hope to publish weekly on Friday mornings throughout the year. If you have any specific interview requests or want us to interview you, shoot us an email at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Arthur Agee is one of the inimitable names in basketball circles for his excruciatingly real portrayal of a hotshot recruit with dreams of the NBA in one of the greatest documentaries of all-time, Hoop Dreams. The movie tracked Agee and his Chicago compatriot, William Gates, as they moved through the shady underworld of high school basketball star-making and college basketball recruiting in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Agee, the player who seemed more likely to end up on the wrong path as a result of his tough home life, ended up winning the Chicago Public League championship in 1991 and attending Arkansas State on scholarship. While he nor Gates never made it to the NBA, they both have found meaning through their experiences captured on film to pass on their lessons to youngsters in the community: Gates as a pastor, and Agee as a motivational speaker who travels around the country inspiring students to follow their “hoop dreams” in all walks of life. Agee was kind enough to speak with us last week.
Rush The Court: Arthur, talk to us a little bit about what you’re doing these days with your foundation (Arthur Agee Foundation) and your upcoming Hoop Dreams Tour (@HoopDreams2010 on Twitter) in October.
Arthur Agee: My Arthur Agee role model foundation involves me speaking and doing motivational things for kids. The tour coming up with Mike Brown at Hoop Connection will have us traveling around from city to city [scheduled cities: Chicago, Orlando, Dallas, Sacramento] in October to help young athletes in those places pursue their hoop dreams. We’ll be picking one person in each of those places to tell his or her story about their struggle and try to help them achieve their hoop dream — whether it’s a scholarship to college, a job in coaching or whatever else. Our hope is that a reality televison show will pick it up and air what happens while we’re on this tour.
RTC: It’s amazing that this low-budget independent movie still has so much resonance over fifteen years later. We hear from basketball fans regularly that it’s their favorite movie of all-time. Can you discuss how you’re trying to use the opportunities it is still providing for you now?
AA: Well, realize that my family didn’t see any money from “Hoop Dreams” the movie. Maybe $150,000 to $200,000. The filmmakers saw it as a stepping stone project for themselves, but often times we were forgotten about. That said, they have authorized me to use the name Hoop Dreams to brand it. A consultant we talked to says there might be about $4 million left in it, so we got permission from the filmmakers to start a full clothing line — sneakers, hats, and so on. So that’s the business challenge that I’m currently facing with it — branding Hoop Dreams and making it profitable.
RTC: What about the movie itself? What has changed from those days and what life lessons can you give to young people today as a result of your experiences?
AA: Well, the basketball landscape has changed. From the mid-90s until a few years ago, you could jump straight to the NBA from high school. But the statistics on actually making it to the pros is really small. Kids should be thinking about the primary goal to get a scholarship to college, and let the rest take care of itself. I use a phrase, “Education is a necessity… basketball is a privilege,” and it’s true. In the movie we did a couple of years ago, “Hoop Reality,” which was a fifteen-year follow-up to “Hoop Dreams,” I helped Patrick Beverley achieve his hoop dream. We focused on him in the movie, and he eventually went to Arkansas on a scholarship and just recently signed a $1.5 million deal with the Miami Heat. At Arkansas State, I had to do everything on my own to get noticed, and some agents came to me because of the movie, but that was about it.
RTC: How is your relationship with co-star William Gates [a minister in the Chicago area now] from the movie?
AA: Will is great, and I keep up with him quite a bit. You have to keep in mind, though, that William Gates in the movie was still a lot better player than a lot of people with two good knees. His son, Will Jr., is sixteen now [Class of 2013] and at St. Joseph’s just like we were. Still with Coach [Gene] Pingatore! I’d tell him what I’d tell anybody with a hoop dream — live your hoop dreams and control your own destiny, which means to go hard after whatever you want and don’t let anybody else get in your way.
RTC: When you were that skinny 14-year old kid shooting jumpers with an NBA dream on the Chicago streets twenty years ago and had this film crew following you around everywhere for several years, did you ever think it would end up taking on so much of your identity?
AA: It crossed my mind a little bit at the time, and I was optimistic about things coming from it, but never in a million years did I think it would take on an identity like it has. What has helped me throughout is to never get a big head, though; I always stayed humble even when it was winning awards and getting a lot of attention. That’s just who I am.
RTC: Other than in the movie, did you ever meet Isiah [Thomas] again? Are there any negatives that came your way because of the movie?
AA: Yeah, I met Isiah again. He said to keep his number and all that, but I’ve learned over the years, that shit never works. People say a lot of things but they don’t really mean it. I understand that, though. It’s how things are. As for negatives, not too many, honestly. Losing my father [in 2004 as a result of murder] was painful, but not very many people came up and asked me for things because of “Hoop Dreams” over the years.
RTC: Arthur, our readers are mostly college basketball fans. Do you follow the game, and if so, who would you send your kids to play for if they had the opportunity to receive a scholarship? Do you think that recruiting has gotten better or worse since you were going through the process?
AA: Recruiting has gotten crazy. It was already pretty crazy when I was going through it, but nowadays it’s a year-round, nonstop type of thing. It’s always been kinda dirty, but now it seems like it’s gotten even dirtier. With all the ESPN hype, people feel that they can obtain things because their kid can play ball. As parents, we’re already sending a kid down a winding road; asking for things like that isn’t being a good role model for their future. If I was going to have my kids play for someone, I would want a coach that would treat them like they’re family and who would put education above sports. It should go in this order: 1) family; 2) education; 3) best interests of the university and the player. Some of the schools I like now are Duke, Michigan, UNLV and Michigan State. I love Tom Izzo, he could tear their ass up. I like [John] Calipari and [Rick] Pitino too.
RTC: Arthur, I think it’s safe to say that everyone who watched you in “Hoop Dreams” will continue to root for you in your future endeavors and we wish you nothing but the best of luck pursuing them.
AA: Thanks, and good luck following your hoop dreams as well.