DJ Augustin Has Little Wee Arms

Posted by rtmsf on June 3rd, 2008

Apologies in advance for the small text on the table below.  You can see the entire cache of numbers here on a document we saved at Google Docs (fully sortable).  Alternatively, check the list (also sortable) over at DraftExpress, who we owe our eternal thanks to for providing these initial numbers.   

So what we’ve done here is color code highlight the best five (light green) and worst five (beige) performances in each category.  For basketball purposes, we’re assuming that height, weight and length are good things, body fat is a bad thing, and athletic ability in terms of vertical jump, agility and sprint times are valued.  For example, Brook Lopez was one of the tallest, heaviest and longest players at the camp (as expected), but his lane agility time of 12.77 seconds makes Shaq look like a gazelle (ok, maybe not that bad…). 

Anyway, for now we wanted to throw the numbers up and start digesting them.  We’ll have our thoughts on some of the surprises at the bottom later this afternoon.  Enjoy. 

Draft Combine Numbers


The Lonny Baxter Award.  The biggest surprise that we saw this year was that Michael Beasley stands only 6’7 in socks (6’8 with shoes).  How is this possible?  How can the most dominant big man in the history of freshmen all-time only stand at 6’8 in his Nikes????  Can Beasley play 3 at the next level?  Chicago must be asking itself the same question.


Yes, Baxter Really Is Two Feet Tall

Well, it’s a good thing they’ve got the option of the next Jason Kidd in Derrick Rose then, right?  Oh wait, Rose is only 6’1.5 in socks ( 6’2.5 with shoes), a solid couple of inches shorter than Kidd, and more on par with Isiah Thomas and Chris Paul as comparisons.  The good news is that Rose can fly outta the gym with his 40″ vertical leap and his 3.05 3/4 court time, both third best in the camp this year.

One more player suffering from shrinkage this year is Joey Dorsey (6’6).  The Mouth of the South is lucky that he has such an unbelievable plastic-man wingspan (7’11) for his size, or he wouldn’t even be getting a sniff from the professional ranks. 

Legit BigsBrook Lopez and Javale McGee are legitimately 6’11 in socks, David Padgett isn’t far off (6’10.25), while DeAndre Jordan is just shy of 6’10.  McGee, Lopez and Jordan all have wingspans of 7’6 (Lopez is a half-inch shy) and utterly ridiculous reaches of over 9’5.  The most intriguing big man is John Riek, the postgraduate high school student who certifiably stunk up the camp, but comes in at 6’10.5 with a nearly 7’9 wingspan and a reach reported (but unverified) at 9’10.  Ummm… ok. 

Feeling a Little DoughyKevin Love said that he’s dropped fifteen pounds since the F4, but his body fat percentage (12.9%) belies a ways to go.  His size was a little shorter than expected (nearly 6’8), but his vertical leap was better than expected (35″), so he may end up being ok at the next level, given his already skilled face-up game.  The Tubbiest Player Award goes to Kentrell Gransberry, who clocked in at 17.4% body fat.  It showed in his ups as well, as his at 27.5″ was one of the lowest five of the camp. 

Best All-Around Athlete.  This is a tough call, but we’re going with Eric Gordon.  He has a top five vertical leap of 40″, which is simply eyepopping, he was also in the top five in the 3/4 court sprint (3.1 seconds), and he managed to bench the 185-lb bar fifteen times, which is significantly more than some other young guards (OJ Mayo – 7; DJ Augustin – 2).  Derrick Rose is also a consideration, as he can also get way up and is speedy all over the court.  But We’ll give second place to DeMarcus Nelson, who finished in the top five in both the lane agility drill (10.54 seconds) and the 3/4 court sprint (3.13 seconds), in addition to having a 38.5″ vertical leap and benching the bar nineteen times.  We give the nod, though, to Gordon based on his relative youth and the possibility of those numbers getting significantly better.


E-Giddy Is All Kinds of Athleticized

Other Minutiae.   Jerryd Bayless is a great athlete, but his wingspan is astonishingly short (6’3.5) for a 6’2 guy.  Don’t expect Bayless to ever become a tremendous on-the-ball defender with those arms.  Sonny Weems and Joe Alexander are two more players who tested well athletically, as Weems finished in the top five in the agility and sprint drills, while Alexander finished in the top five in the bench press and sprint drills.   This combine was not good to DJ Augustin – he appeared small and weak based on the numbers.  Shouldn’t a 5’10 sophomore be able to do more than two bench presses at that weight by now?

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5 responses to “DJ Augustin Has Little Wee Arms”

  1. hornfan says:

    DJ Augustin ran a 3.07, not a 3.7. Your data is flawed.

  2. Forshizzzle says:

    DJ ran the 3/4 court sprint in 3.07. He had one of the fastest times. Benching 185 has nothing to do with how well a player will perform in the NBA. Analyzing these numbers like you are doing is one of the most pointless exercises ever. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  3. rtmsf says:

    @ Forshizzle – lighten up, we never said a word about Augustin’s future success in the NBA. But there’s absolutely no doubt that this camp hurt DJ’s draft status. Also we fixed the error.

  4. Forshizzzle says:

    @rtmsf…you should watch Billy Madison some time.

    And I am extremely doubtful that the camp hurt DJ’s draft status. Most mock drafts I’ve seen had him going to Indiana in the first round. I really don’t think the fact that he’s 5’10” (which everyone already knew) or that he benched 185 twice is going to change anyone’s idea about him. And if it did, you’d have to be a terrible scout, and quite possibly brain dead. His speed, quickness, shooting, ball handling and court awareness were his hugest strengths last year and his bench press has absolutely nothing to do with any of those qualities.

    And basing conclusions on Jerryd Bayless’ future defensive prowess based on his wingspan or the ability of Michael Beasley to play the three in the NBA when he’s only 6’8 in his sneakers is in fact completely pointless.

  5. rtmsf says:

    @ forshizzle –

    If it’s completely pointless, why do scouts do it? Why does the NBA hold this event and release these numbers publicly?

    Answer – b/c scouts do take it seriously. Is it the only criterion used? Of course not. But it’s one of many other criteria, and if you think that Augustin having so little strength doesn’t at least raise some eyebrows, then you’re completely mistaken.

    Fwiw, we think DJ is a fantastic player, and have written glowingly about him since this blog began. That doesn’t change the fact that these measurements hurt him some.

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